Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/22/1999 09:00 AM Senate FIN

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 SENATE BILL NO. 72                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
"An Act making and amending appropriations under art.                                                                           
IX, sec. 17(c), Constitution of the State of Alaska,                                                                            
from the constitutional budget reserve fund; and                                                                                
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, Director, Office of Management and                                                                           
Budget was invited to join the committee.  She said that                                                                        
Commissioner Poe would conduct the explanation of the                                                                           
Office of Management and Budget handout.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BOB POE, Commissioner, Department of Administration was                                                                         
invited to join the committee.  He explained the Projected                                                                      
Daily Cash Sufficiency Balances handout sheet. (Handout                                                                         
attached to original file.)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROSS KINNEY, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Revenue was                                                                     
invited to join the committee.  He explained royalty                                                                            
payments from the Department of Natural Resources, tax                                                                          
receipts, payroll and university payments.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe, with reference to the handout, continued                                                                      
explaining that by the end of March we were above zero.                                                                         
The first part of April we were still also above zero.                                                                          
However, when payments around the tenth of April become due                                                                     
they go up.  By the end of April they go below zero and the                                                                     
end of May they are barely covering costs.  The schedule                                                                        
shows that they never really recover above zero after that.                                                                     
This was referred to as "checkbook accounting".  Therefore,                                                                     
after the 25th of March they should not be writing any more                                                                     
checks.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell asked about a possible identity plan.  Mr.                                                                     
Kinney said this was the only consideration of the general                                                                      
fund and it was a temporary situation.  Monies could be                                                                         
borrowed from other sub funds pending commitment from this                                                                      
body.  It would be like issuing a revenue anticipation                                                                          
note.  However, he noted that they were concerned about                                                                         
what to pick and choose.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe explained the sub funds.  He cited oil                                                                         
revenues for an example.  Co-chair Parnell was not                                                                              
suggesting that they go below zero and then use sub                                                                             
accounts.   This would just be used as a contingency plan.                                                                      
According to Commissioner Poe, however, this did not mean                                                                       
that the State was out of money.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell asked if there were any other charts or                                                                        
graphs that Commissioner Poe might want to present to the                                                                       
committee.  The Commissioner responded that he had                                                                              
concluded his testimony unless there were further questions                                                                     
by the committee members.  Co-chair Parnell thanked                                                                             
Commissioner Poe and Mr. Kinney for their presentation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell then asked Ms. McConnell to remain at the                                                                      
table for any questions the members may have.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell explained that the language used was the same                                                                     
as in previous years.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kinney referred to $132 million dollars and how it was                                                                      
to be used.  Ms. McConnell explained what was corrected                                                                         
with what funds from that amount.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator P. Kelly asked about the availability of funds.                                                                         
Commissioner Poe responded.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell asked the number necessary to meet the                                                                         
appropriations of FY 99.  Ms. McConnell said approximately                                                                      
$1.2 CBR, total, was needed.  Co-chair Parnell asked for an                                                                     
exact figure?  Ms. McConnell said different numbers were                                                                        
being heard because of different oil returns on a daily or                                                                      
weekly basis.  It was impossible to predict the requirement                                                                     
to meet the expenditures the Legislature set aside.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell asked where we were presently.  Mr. Kinney                                                                     
replied that oil had dropped below $10/barrel.  The price                                                                       
had averaged $12.75/barrel up until now.  He advised that                                                                       
the number is continuously subject to change, however, and                                                                      
at present it is not looking positive.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Torgerson asked Mr. Kinney to explain the                                                                               
contingency plan, which authorized them to borrow money.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kinney said by statute this authorization was granted                                                                       
to the Commissioner.  The problem they were facing was that                                                                     
there was no money coming in at a later date to pay this                                                                        
money back.  A substantial draw was expected to be taken                                                                        
from the CBR to meet the need.  They will also need an                                                                          
appropriation for interest.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell further said that the reason for setting up                                                                       
the CBR the reason was due to this volatility.  The closer                                                                      
we get to the end of the fiscal year, agencies need to                                                                          
adjust their monies.  This tended to create an untenable                                                                        
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kinney said it would take about ninety days to procure                                                                      
a packet to go to the market for a loan.  In response to a                                                                      
query from Senator Parnell, he said that without the                                                                            
possibility of payback it would be useless to prepare this                                                                      
packet for the loan.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Torgerson asked if they would be required to come                                                                       
back if they borrowed money to get authorization from the                                                                       
Legislature?  Mr. Kinney said the Commissioner could only                                                                       
borrow if he had the funds to repay the interest necessary                                                                      
plus the amount.  Money would have to be paid back by the                                                                       
end of the year.  Otherwise it would have to be paid back                                                                       
on a long-term basis.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator P. Kelly asked if they structured how government                                                                        
could be financed differently would this be of help or an                                                                       
incursion of the situation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kinney explained that there was plenty of money                                                                             
available, however blocks are drawn around them and they                                                                        
need a super-majority vote to get around this.  For                                                                             
instance, he said the Department of Education did not                                                                           
really need to go out to borrow monies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell referred to the State income tax issue.  She                                                                      
explained the revenue anticipation.  Sufficient money could                                                                     
be received within a few months.  She said, however, that                                                                       
the present situation was different.  They would not be                                                                         
facing the same issue as to what they need if this                                                                              
situation was structured correctly.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe also responded.  There were other bonds                                                                        
the State had issued recently and they have gotten high                                                                         
ratings.  It is known that the State does have money.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell asked when the next forecast would come in                                                                     
from Dr. Logsdon.  Mr. Kinney said possibly in March.  Ms.                                                                      
McConnell also concurred saying that by approximately the                                                                       
first of April the forecast would be ready.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Parnell thanked Ms. McConnell, Commissioner Poe                                                                        
and Mr. Kinney.  He HELD SB 72 in committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He then called SB 83 and asked Ms. McConnell to remain at                                                                       
the table to assist the committee members.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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